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Wouldn't the 1955-1957 Ford Thunderbird with the optional supercharger and the1962-1964 Studebaker Avanti also be considered muscle cars? Particularly the supercharged Avanti? While the stock original T-Bird would not be a muscle car (although it was a direct ancestor of the pony cars), with the supercharger it would qualify as one in my opinion. User:4.231.180.13
The Tbird was in the "personal luxury car" category which I think most people will consider a different segment than the muscle cars, acceleration notwithstanding. The Avanti was considered a sports car, which is definitely a very different thing than a muscle car in those days. You're going to find all sorts of people willing to give a detailed description of what makes a "real" muscle car, but this isn't overly helpful. The only source I can find in the article was supposedly Road and Track's list of "muscle cars" from 1965. In my opinion the question remains open as to how narrow a definition of "muscle car" is desirable for this article. Friday (talk) 03:53, 23 August 2005
[edit]No mention of Mustang muscle cars
Ever heard of the Mach 1, Shelby GT350/500, Boss 302, Boss 351, Boss 429?, J-code Mustang GT? These are some of the most important cars of the era, and they are not even mentioned. Also, the mustangs around after 2002 (excepting the GT and V6), are not "semi-muscle" pony cars: Mach 1, Cobra with 300-400hp. -CW 192.197.71.189 17:58, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
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I understand that you probably own a 2000 V6 Mustang, but Mustangs were never muscle cars. 302 and 351 were not muscle engines especially back in its day. The 429 had horrible dyno ratings and the 427 Cobra Jet only came with special edition mustangs. Mustangs were never muscle cars, and they were always the slowest cars on the drag strip.
You're funny. You HAVE to be a GM guy with talk like that. You can't even name the engines properly, lol. Not even worth talking since you "probably" have never seen any classic mustang muscle at the track. By the way dude, I have seen modded 2005+ mustang GTs beat C5 Vettes at the track. CJ DUB 00:07, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Didn't some Mustangs - admittedly for the strip only - come with the 427 SOHC engine? 616 bhp with one carb, 657 with twoMr Larrington (talk) 10:52, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
[edit]Modern Muscle car list
some cars that could be on it are 2004-present Pontiac GTO 2005-Present Dodge Charger 2003-? Mercury Murauder. 2004-present New Mustang Saleen Mustang.
Not positive if these should be on it. Holdon Morano, commadore, Chrysler 300C, cadilac CTS-V. and others I can't think of right now.
impala SS. it is FWD but it does have a V8
You for got the Dodge Magnum70.106.36.130 20:29, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
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I don't know who put Ford Mustang Cobra as the last surviving muscle car, but whoever did knows nothing about the meaning of muscle car. The only true car to have survived the new emmissions era, was the Chevrolet Corvette which even today comes with a 7.0 liter engine.
This page is about muscle cars. You yourself don't define muscle cars, without references. The Terminator Cobras are muscle cars. You obviously have never seen/raced one. Woooo, 7.0L, who cares? CJ DUB 23:55, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Impala SS (new one) should be removed. Sorry GM lovers, that is not a muscle car. CJ DUB 16:37, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit]So What Are These Wild Horses anyway
This is a bit complicated for an European guy like me. "GTs, Mach 1's and Boss Mustangs are considered muscle cars" - this is what they say in Musclecarclub page. Now your're saying Mustangs were never Muscle Cars. So none of the Mustangs were Muscle Cars or they were not TRUE muscle cars?
The simple definition of a Muscle Car is a high-performance 2-door model of a midsize car. The Mustang was based on the compact Falcon, so it is not a musclecar but a "pony car." The term ponycar came about because of the Mustang.
As for the list of modern muscle cars above, I'm not really sure. The '94-'96 Impala was a fullsize, the Marauder was a fullsize, the 300 and the Charger are fullsize, not to mention four-doors (if that makes a difference, I don't know). I would consider the Thunderbird Super Coupes to be musclecars, but I don't know if that would be a popular idea. --Sable232 20:17, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit]Images
Where have they all gone? I'm sure I've seen this article before with lot's of images on it. Troubleshooter 01:44, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I checked the history page and in my brief perusal didn't find any with images. Probably some of the articles on particular cars have some suitable images we can add. --Robert Merkel 02:07, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
"Brief perusal" haha I love it! Hmm I must be crazy then... It was probably an individual car or something... It should have a few images on the page anyway, being such a beautiful car type and all. Whoever decides to put one one... make it a good one :) Troubleshooter 02:38, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit]Some more Buicks maybe?
No mention of the Wildcat or Grand National/Regal T-type? Why not? --Pauljs75 07:44, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit]The origin
The muscle car generally describes a rear wheel drive mid-size car with a large engine. The first application of this idea after World War II was with the 1957 Rambler Rebel. However, there were other large-sized cars with powerful engines, such as the 1955 Chrysler 300. Nevertheless, I don't think they should all of them be mentioned in this article. If all of them were to be included, then this should be changed to "List of cars with large and powerful engines" ... Just my $0.02 - CZmarlin 05:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

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